T206 Collector Spotlight: Colton English

I’ve written a few articles about some of my favorite T206 collections, and in the process we learned a little about the collectors themselves.  But, up until now I haven’t focused specifically on the collector.  This occurred to me recently and I figured it would be fun to start getting to know a little more about some of my fellow T206 collectors.  This is the first installment of a new series of articles called Collector Spotlight.  I think this will be a fun way to learn about some of the people with whom we share the hobby.  It will also be interesting to read about the different ways that people are approaching the Monster.

For this week’s article, I caught up with Colton English, a hobby buddy I have made many deals with over the last couple years.

Q:  When did you start collecting baseball cards?

A:  I’m 33 years old today, I have been collecting baseball cards for as long as I can remember. When I was a young boy, my parents would buy me a pack of cards every time we went to the store. I used to sort out and keep all the Hall of Famers. I would put those in binders, the rest would build up in shoe boxes.

 Q:  What were you collecting then?

A:  Back then I just collected up as many cards of each Hall of Famer that I could. Most of the cards I had were from the late ’80’s and early ’90’s.

Q:  How did you wind up collecting T206s?

A.  In 2004 (junior year in college) I opened an eBay account after browsing through the baseball card listings. I was drawn to the old cards because prior to this I had only seen them and read about them in magazines (I subscribed to Beckett Baseball growing up). I will submit a photo of my first pre-war card. Burleigh Grimes Strip Card for $6 total, including shipping. When it arrived in the mail, I was hooked. I concentrated on putting together multiple strip card sets from the ’20’s, ’30’s, and ’40’s at first because they were more affordable and quite frankly the idea of the T206 set was a bit overwhelming. However, I started buying them up when I could find a good deal or a cheap lot. In 2009 I needed some money and decided to sell all the 1933 Goudeys and T206s that I had collected. Actually, I sold all but 12 T206 Hall of Famers. I hid those away and strictly concentrated on completing the multiple strip card sets that I had begun.   In 2014 I got bored waiting for the final key cards to complete my other sets to come along. I had always cherished those 12 T206s that I kept, and decided to pull the trigger and go for the T206 set.

Q:  What is your current T206 collecting focus?

A:  In the short time collecting this set, the focus has changed a few times already. I enjoy researching these things and have found the T206 set to be the most amazing set that I’ve ever concentrated on due to the massive amount of data that is out there. I have always found the rare and/or scarce backs to be the most interesting. I look at these as the “inserts” of today’s baseball card world. The idea of finding a T206 with maybe only a few other of the same front/back combinations known to exist is really neat to me. To have one that is the only known example (front/back combo) is way neater to me than to have the nicest card known to exist (grading wise) of say any given Piedmont pose. Further, I can’t afford the super high grade cards, so I have always leaned toward the low grade cards with the rare backs. About a year into collecting the set, I decided I wanted to put together as many rare back cards as I could. The current focus is to collect all 524 T206s with as many rare backs as possible. I try and concentrate on Hindu, EPDG, American Beauty, Cycle, Old Mill, Sovereign and Tolstoi backs. Further, I have decided to try and acquire a “back run” within the 76 Hall of Famers that make up the T206 set. I am trying to collect at least one of every tobacco brand back that was printed with a Hall of Fame front.

Q:  Why did you decide to collect the set in that way?  Was there a specific card you acquired that piqued your interest?

A:  No specific card, just always drawn to the history of the set and I think the different back brands are a really cool trait that further distinguishes this set as arguably the best set to acquire of all time.

Q:  Would you say you’re more of a set collector, back collector, HOF collector, team collector, etc?

A:  I’m only interested in Hall of Fame cards post 1950. However, pre-1950 I would say I’m a set collector. Within the T206 set, I am most definitely a back collector.

Q:  What is your favorite card in your collection?  (feel free to name more than one if you can’t decide)

A:  W515-2 Babe Ruth (#3 & #48)

      W515-2 Strip(s)
      W513 Complete Strip of 20

As for the T206s, all 12 of the ones I kept when I sold the rest in 2009 are my favorite, specifically the
T206 Marquard Cycle 460 & 350, both poses and both solid cards.

Q:  What is your “dream card” that would be the centerpiece of your collection?

A:  The Wagner of course.

Q:  Who is your favorite player from the T206 set?

A:  Walter Johnson, but I envy Birdie Cree’s name.

Q:  I see from the scans you sent me that you have a number of raw cards that used to be graded.  Do you prefer raw cards to graded cards?

A:  My opinion on this has changed over the years. I do prefer raw cards to graded cards for the ease and conformity of storage, and have busted many cards out over the years. However, I seldom break the cards today as it has become more difficult to get them out for one and I find the graded cards hold their value a little better for trading purposes. I have long debated if I will want to someday have the collection slabbed, but remain undecided to date. I appreciate that the major graders’ databases have become public, but must weigh cost vs. value gained for my lower-grade collection … another interesting debate.

Q:  Wagner aside, are there any more attainable cards or backs that you hope to add to the collection in the next few years?

A:   I currently have over 300 different T206’s on the way to my quest for 524…..(we’ll see). Of those, over 200 have either an EPDG, American Beauty, Cycle, or Tolstoi back. Of which most are considered poor condition.  At the top of my current wish list would be any Hall of Famer with a super rare back (Drum, Lenox, Uzit, Carolina Brights, Red Hindu, Broadleaf). Of course, I can only afford and would only be interested in these cards in lower-grade condition at a reasonable cost. Also, I’m currently looking for the third Jennings EPDG pose to complete the player back run.  I currently have for trade a lower grade 1948 Bowman complete set and a partial set of 28 different lower grade 1909 E92 Dockmans (all commons except for Lajoie).

Southern Comfort: ‘Minor’ Subset, Major Undertaking

Today, I’m excited to present a guest article, written by my friend Rob Dewolf.  Enjoy!      – Luke

Written by Rob Dewolf

Sometimes the best journeys are the ones you plan the least.

Spur-of-the-moment road trips with a college roommate. A weekend getaway with your significant other that comes together in an hour on Saturday morning. A split-second decision that leads to a 1 a.m. trek to the Taco Bell drive-thru.

OK, so maybe a little planning can be a good thing. But one of my best T206 excursions was one I never saw happening.

Because of my age (54) and early interest in baseball cards that continued through high school, I’m among those who can say, “I started collecting T206s in the 1980s.”

But honestly, that “collecting” was defined by picking up a stray white border at a card show now and then or buying a Hall of Famer when I could afford it. So, yeah, technically I “bought” T206s more than thirty years ago, but I wasn’t really “collecting” them.

That changed in 2012, when I decided to cautiously pursue a T206 Polar Bear subset, which seemed like a good fit for a number of reasons. First, it’s only 250 cards. I figured from a mental standpoint, that number wasn’t overwhelming (520, I’m looking at you). Plus, having been born and raised in Ohio, I feel a connection to Polar Bear backs because Factory 6, 1st District, which is listed on the backs of the cards, was located in the Buckeye State. Add the fact that Polar Bears aren’t common like Sweet Caporal or Piedmont but are readily available, and I felt good about the undertaking.

After about a year or so of enjoying and nearly finishing that challenge, I decided to keep plugging away and collect an entire set of T206s, minus the Honus Wagner, Eddie Plank and Joe Doyle error. (A fortunate series of events down the road led to the acquisition of a Plank, but that’s another story – one that can be read by clicking this link: Lionel Carter’s T206 Eddie Plank)

My next step toward a set was to knock off the Southern Leaguers. Because nearly half my T206 set was going to have a Polar Bear back, I decided I wanted the SLers subset to have an “uncommon common” back, i.e. not Piedmonts. This left Old Mills and Hindus as my choices. The Hindus, because of their scarcity, seemed too daunting a challenge, not to mention that only 34 of the 48 Southern League subjects come with a Hindu back. The Old Mills, however, much like the Polar Bears I had been collecting, were uncommon yet attainable.

The timing of this decision was nearly perfect. Not long after looking for a starter lot of Old Mill Southern Leaguers, a near-complete group in mid-range condition came up for auction. I was able to buy it, and after filling in the holes and picking up the last few Polar Bears I was missing, my T206 project was at 298 cards.

Fast-forward to about a year later. My set was “complete” at 520 cards (the Plank deal hadn’t happened yet), but I wasn’t ready to quit on T206s. After considering a few different possible projects (another set, this one in lower grade; Cleveland players with tougher backs; an all-portrait set), I settled on expanding my southern-league horizon. Wouldn’t it be cool, I thought, to have all of the Southern Leaguers with all of the three different backs? A total of 130 cards, 48 each with Piedmont and Old Mill backs, 34 with Hindus.

The Piedmonts weren’t too tough, even when waiting for strong mid-range examples (Side note: This is one of the truly nice things about collecting T206s. There are so many of them out there, you have your choice of what condition you want, and unless you’re collecting PSA 8s, you rarely feel you’ve hit a wall).

So, while picking up Piedmonts at a steady pace, I started on the Hindus, buying one here and one there and not being as particular on condition as I was with the Piedmonts and Old Mills. In addition to there not being as many Hindu SLers as there are ones with the other two backs, it’s a challenge finding all of them in strong, mid-range condition. Sure, you can pick up a type card in a 3, 4 or 5 holder without much trouble. But when you’ve got 20 or so Hindu SLers crossed off your want list, finding that final dozen in nice shape is a fun hunt.

I was fortunate during my entire T206 journey, and in particular the southern-league side trip, to have Jim Rivera helping me. Jim is a friend — not just a “hobby friend” (whatever that means), but a true friend who has forgotten more about T206s than many collectors know. Jim has a particular fondness for the Southern Leaguers, and at one point his collection of not only T206 SLers but also those in the T210 Old Mill and T211 Red Sun sets was something to marvel at.

After working a deal to buy seven of Jim’s extra Hindu SLers, coupled with the handful I already had bought, I had a good start toward completing the SL trifecta. Months followed of buying one here and there and upgrading when I could.

More than once I bought lots of 10-20 cards in auctions only to get the two or three Piedmont or Hindu SLers I didn’t have. Another big plus to collecting T206s: Because they are so popular, they’re about as liquid as cardboard can get, meaning if you buy a large lot of T206s because you need only a few, finding buyers for your extras is relatively easy. (Assuming you didn’t overpay in the first place.)

My march to completion, while not conducted at a breakneck speed, was at a comfortable pace. Southern Leaguers are always are popping up on eBay and in auctions, and rarely do you feel any of them are “must-haves” that cause you to overpay (unless you’re impatient, which – as you’re about to learn- I can be).

Finally, the Piedmonts were finished and I was one Hindu away from being able to say “Mission accomplished!” (Wait, does anyone really say that anymore?) Regardless, my white whale took the form of Dutch Jordan, one of the more popular Southern Leaguers, which I figured would lead me to paying a bit more than the normal rate, but this card was not one that I counted on being tough to buy.

Now, admittedly, the ease of closing the books on a set or subset, unless the card you’re seeking is truly rare, really is dictated by timing. A Hindu Jordan really shouldn’t be any tougher to find than a Scoops Carey or George Paige. Often, it’s just a matter of being fortunate to have one come up for sale at the time you’re looking to buy. And I realized this when weeks turned to months and no Hindu Jordans hit eBay or the auction houses.

In fact, in a bit of irony, a blank-backed T206 Jordan became available in a Robert Edward Auction while I was searching for a Hindu. I bought the blank back, which is maybe a thousand times rarer than a Hindu SLer, thinking that perhaps down the road it might be part of a trade for a Jordan if I was unable to buy one.

As more time passed, that gaping hole caused by Jordan’s absence became more and more annoying to me, particularly because I had been in contact with a T206 collector who had multiples of a Hindu Jordan but didn’t want to sell one. Finally, it got to the point where I emailed him to see whether he had interest in trading for my blank-backed Jordan, thinking it would bring the Hindu Jordan and another T206 or two in return.

I’ll spare the blow-by-blow account of the negotiation, other than to say the pursuit of cardboard pictures of dead baseball players can cause an otherwise fairly smart person to do not-so-smart things. Such was the case when I agreed to trade the blank-backed Jordan straight up for the Hindu. This, after the owner of the Hindu said he reluctantly would do the deal.

Even though I knew I was trading a card I had paid $2,000-plus for at auction for a card that would sell for $600 on a good day, I made the deal. Was it dumb? Monetarily, of course. But I assumed that the satisfaction of completing a pretty challenging subset would help numb the fact that I was committing a financial blunder.

And for a while it did. But eventually, whenever I looked at the Hindu Jordan, I felt a different kind of annoyance. And it had nothing to do with money. I’m kind of old-school, so I can remember when card collectors made trades based not solely on money but on what one party had available and the other party needed. I knew that on the surface, that’s kind of what happened with me and the Jordans, but deep down, I knew I had acted foolishly, simply because I was impatient. I’m certainly not crying foul, because I agreed to the deal. I was to blame for any annoyance I felt. But I also knew there was a way to rectify the situation.

Eventually, as I knew one would, a Hindu Jordan came up for sale. In fact, it happened not more than a few months after the trade. I was in worse condition than the one I traded for, but I didn’t mind a bit. Bought it without hesitation.

I no longer wanted the “first” Hindu Jordan, so I mailed it back to its previous owner, not expecting anything in return. I received an email about a week later, saying he appreciated the gesture “more than you know” and that he’d return the blank-backed Jordan. That was more than two years ago. I guess somewhere in the USPS system is a lost blank-backed Dutch Jordan searching for a home. I hope he’s well.

Looking back, my T206 projects were a lot of fun. I really enjoy the Southern League master set and still casually watch for a few upgrades. Plus, the experience left me with my own set of “Jordan rules”: Don’t get too emotional when it comes to baseball cards, and stay patient.

Written by Rob Dewolf

Some Southern Leaguer oddities that Rob added to his Master Set

Pat Romolo’s T206 Piedmont 150 Plate Scratch Project (Part 2/2)

On February 6th 2016, Pat posted a thread on net54 titled “I Believe This Could Be A Complete Horizontal Layout For This T206 Sheet”.  In it, he goes into great detail about how he re-created a Piedmont 150 sheet by connecting the Plate Scratches on the backs of the cards.

In Part One of this article, I posted a Cliffs Notes version of Pat’s net54 thread. You can read Part One by clicking the link below:

Pat Romolo’s T206 Piedmont 150 Plate Scratch Project (Part 1/2)

Piedmont 150 Bull Durham with dark plate scratch on the back

For Part Two, I wanted to dive in a little deeper.  Pat was kind enough to work with me by providing scans and answering all the questions I had.  Our conversation is below:

Q: How long have you been collecting T206?

A:  I purchased my first T206s at the 2003 National in Atlantic City.  I don’t remember exactly how many, but it was around ten raw Fair-to-VG commons that included a couple of Sovereigns and a Jennings (One Hand) in a PSA 5 holder.

Q:  Before beginning to collect the P150 Plate Scratches, how did you collect the set?
A:  I never really had a strategy, but early on I did have a phase when I was collecting non-Piedmonts and Sweet Caporals (like many T206 collectors, I wish I had stayed with that longer).
Q:  How did you first become interested in the plate scratches?
A:  When Steve Birmingham started the thread on Net54 about the plate scratches, he was looking for scans.  So I checked my collection and found that I had one.  I started tracking ebay and past sales looking for scans to send Steve.  Each one I found motivated me to search for more, hoping he would be able to come up with a sheet layout from them.
Q:  Do you remember the first card you owned that had a plate scratch?
A:  It was a Shipke scratch that I had in my collection and, coincidentally it matched up next to one of the Cobb scans that Steve had.
Q:  What gave you the idea to try and re-create an entire sheet of Piedmont 150s using the plate scratches?
A:  Once again, all the credit goes to Steve.  Steve and I were emailing back and forth.  I was sending him scans of the scratches I found and he was working on trying to piece a sheet together.  At the time it seemed like he was gaining the most traction around the Cobb, but in a couple of our emails he stated he didn’t have much free time to work on it.  I don’t think anyone was sure if there was more than one sheet involved, but I decided to try and see what I could come up with from a Seymour I had with a double scratch on it.
The circled pink mark offers more evidence that Seymour and Cicotte were neighbors on this Piedmont 150 sheet

Q:  Can you share any breakthroughs that you have had while working on it?

A:  There have been several, but I would say three of the main ones are:

  1. The first time I found an unconfirmed scratch using a template I made off the Seymour scratch.
  2. Finding a Seymour with a print mark on the front that connected to a mark on the front of a Cicotte (Seymour and Cicotte have several different scratches on the back that link them together).
  3. Filling the last missing slot on what I call the “A-B sheet”.

Q:  Have you had any missing pieces to the puzzle that have taken you a very long time to find?

A:  There are still a few that I think should exist and probably a lot more I don’t know about.  I think the A-B Sheet is complete minus a second subject that matches O’Leary, but I can’t say for sure.  It took me four years to find a Gibson that filled the Gibson/Bresnahan slot in the A-B Sheet.  A month or two later, I found the Bresnahan.  Also, Steve had sent me a scan of a Powell scratch that I could never find another scan of until one was listed on ebay about a month ago.  Coincidentally, another one popped up a couple weeks later.  So it took me almost five years to find one, and then two showed up within weeks of each other.

Q:  Do you try to own a copy of each scratch, or are you generally happy to just save scans?  
A:  In the very beginning I was just saving scans, but I purchased a couple of the cheaper ones when I saw them on ebay.  I found when I had them in hand I could glean more information from them.  I have a few that had a second scratch on them that I didn’t notice until I had them.  I have also picked up a few that only had front scans in the listing but I knew they were plate scratches because of a flaw on the front.  I have at least one copy of the majority of them, but I do lack most of the expensive ones.  There are four different Cobb (Bat on) scratches, two Cobb (Green Portrait), three Johnson (Portrait), three Mathewson (White Cap) and one Mathewson (Portrait).  I do have one of the Cobb (Bat On), but the rest are too expensive for me.
Q:  Is there anything I didn’t think to ask that you have learned from your work on this project?
A:  On a side note, the mystery surrounding the Plank continues over to the Plate Scratches.  There are only a few (all hand-cut) Piedmont 150 Planks, but two of them have the same Plate Scratch.  The Plate Scratch on the Plank goes almost straight across.   All of the other Plate Scratches are on a few different angles, so the Plank doesn’t match up with any of them.
I do have a theory about why this might be.  Awhile back someone mentioned that the scratches could have been caused by a nail or something on a shelf they were stored on.  I have seen pictures of the stones on shelves and also on pallets.
If a worker taking one of the stones off the shelf or pallet slid it back and turned it to grab one of the corners, it would create a straight scratch for a couple of inches and an angled scratch across the rest of the stones.  If Plank was on the end of a sheet, that would cause the straight scratch that’s seen on the two examples.

Pat Romolo’s T206 Piedmont 150 Plate Scratch Project (Part 1/2)

On February 6th, 2016, Pat Romolo posted a thread on net54 titled “I Believe This Could Be A Complete Horizontal Layout For This T206 Sheet”.  In it, he goes into great detail on how he put together a complete Piedmont 150 sheet, using Plate Scratches on the backs of the cards.  I asked Pat to explain his Piedmont 150 Plate Scratch project, and this is what he said,

At some point, damage occurred to a few of the stones used for the Piedmont 150 back plates. The damage might have been caused by something between the stones or  something on a shelf or pallet that they were stored on. It’s also possible that it could have been caused by cracks in the limestone, but I’m leaning more towards the scratches.

This two part series is meant to be a companion piece to Pat’s net54 thread.  Think of them as a Cliffs Notes of sorts.  I’ve done my best to summarize the most significant discoveries Pat has made, but I strongly urge you to follow this link and read the net54 thread in its entirety:

I Believe This Could Be A Complete Horizontal Layout For This T206 Sheet

In Part One, we’ll take a look at some of the most important posts from the thread:

Post #2

Pat unveils the complete sheet, which he has re-created.  This particular sheet is composed of 17 different poses from left to right and each pose is repeated 12 times vertically (the image at the top of this article).

Post #13

Erick Summers responds to an earlier question by pointing out that to date, no Piedmont 150 backed “two-namer” card has been found with a plate scratch.  The sheet that Pat re-created has the same subjects repeated vertically.  We know that some sheets had more than one player in a vertical column because a number of “two-namer” cards like the Hinchman-Stovall below have been found.  The fact that no “two-namers” have been found with a plate scratch means the sheet layouts were changed over time.  Before Pat put this sheet together, I think most T206 collectors (at least the ones who are really into the minutiae) believed that most sheets were 17 poses wide and featured at least 2 subjects repeated vertically.*

T206 Hinchman/Stovall Piedmont 150 “two namer”

Post #34

In response to a comment made by a member who was having trouble understanding the significance of the project, Pat posted an additional bit of supporting evidence.  Seymour (Batting) and Cicotte appear next to each other on the re-created sheet because the Plate Scratches on the back show that they were neighbors.  Pat posted front scans of each pose sharing a pink mark on the front that confirms they were right next to each other.

Post #45

Pat posts a scan of a mis-cut Sheckard (No Glove Showing) with Goode showing on the right side with a Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 30 back.  One of the missing spots in Pat’s template was next to Goode.  Pat had looked for a Sheckard with Plate Scratch for awhile with no luck until finding one that fit the template the day he made this post.

T206 Sheckard Goode SW Cap 150 Fact 30

Post #47

Pat posts:

I was pretty sure before but now I’m positive this sheet mirrors a SC150/649
sheet and I think this is one of two 649 sheets that were printed.

This is a huge discovery.  I had wondered in the past how the 34 poses in the Sweet Caporal 150 Factory 649 subset were chosen.  The players chosen never made much sense to me.  Pat has proven they were selected pretty much at random.  The printers just used two sheets that they had handy.

Post #50

Pat posts a summary of what he has learned up to that point.

This 3 card section shows the scratches up close

*The 460 Only series is an exception to this loose rule of thumb.  To date, we haven’t found any “two-namers” from the 460 Only Series, leading us to believe that vertical rows most likely featured only one pose.