T206 Cards From the Same Sheet

This trio of Piedmont 350s from the same sheet was sold recently by Huggins & Scott Auctions.  Seeing them got me thinking about other cards that we know came from the same sheet.  In his fantastic book, Inside T206, Scot Reader surmises that the total number of T206s produced could be over 100 million.  Given this staggering estimate, it makes sense that finding two or more T206s that were printed on a single sheet is no easy task.

One of my favorite things about this set is that it lends itself very well to research.  If you learn something about a certain pose or front/back combo, there is often a logical pattern to be followed, which will lead you to more discoveries.  The same cannot really be said for today’s topic.  Finding T206 sheet mates is very cool, but it usually is the result of random happenstance rather than a larger pattern.  In that same vein, there will be little structure to this article.  I mainly just wanted to post some of the coolest T206 sheet mates.

Most of the times that we’re able to trace multiple T206s back to the same sheet, they will be of the printer’s scrap variety.  The reason for this is pretty simple.  In order to make connections between two or more cards, there has to be something that makes them unique.

Take these Hoblitzell and Oakes Piedmont 350s.  They showed up on eBay one day in a group of offerings from the same seller.  I wasn’t able to find out anything about where they came from, but it doesn’t take much of a logical leap to assume they were cut from the same sheet and kept together all this time.  Their large, hand-cut borders and darker-than-normal colors are a dead giveaway.  I’m not sure there’s anything to be learned from them, but they sure are cool.

These three Blank Backs share a similar cut as well as adhesive residue on all four corners of the backs.  They were clearly kept together in an album or frame for many years.  They made their way to market via SCP auctions, where I was able to buy them and keep them together.

The “Lash’s Bitters” T206s are another example of printer’s scrap that work as puzzle pieces that help us to re-construct a sheet of T206 cards.  I have an article in the works featuring these awesome scraps, so I’ll keep this description short.  The back of these T206s was used as a test sheet for trade cards featuring “Lash’s Bitters”.  The fronts look a little odd as well.  They appear to be missing a layer of red.

T206 collector John Dreker was kind enough to send me scans of these four upside-down and mis-cut Piedmont 150s that he owns.  He found Davis in a group of 40 cards he bought in 2000, then bought Tannehill, Doolin, and Cicotte together in the same group in 2002.

This group of cards has been dubbed the “Test Print Sheet”.  As you can see, the backs have a lot going on.

Much like the Lash’s Bitters sheet above, the back of the sheet that Griffith, Lake, and O’Leary were on was used as a test sheet for a Twin Oaks Tobacco advertisement.

This quartet of Blank Backs are very likely to have originated from the same sheet.

Pat Romolo’s T206 Piedmont 150 Plate Scratch Project (Part 2/2)

On February 6th 2016, Pat posted a thread on net54 titled “I Believe This Could Be A Complete Horizontal Layout For This T206 Sheet”.  In it, he goes into great detail about how he re-created a Piedmont 150 sheet by connecting the Plate Scratches on the backs of the cards.

In Part One of this article, I posted a Cliffs Notes version of Pat’s net54 thread. You can read Part One by clicking the link below:

Pat Romolo’s T206 Piedmont 150 Plate Scratch Project (Part 1/2)

Piedmont 150 Bull Durham with dark plate scratch on the back

For Part Two, I wanted to dive in a little deeper.  Pat was kind enough to work with me by providing scans and answering all the questions I had.  Our conversation is below:

Q: How long have you been collecting T206?

A:  I purchased my first T206s at the 2003 National in Atlantic City.  I don’t remember exactly how many, but it was around ten raw Fair-to-VG commons that included a couple of Sovereigns and a Jennings (One Hand) in a PSA 5 holder.

Q:  Before beginning to collect the P150 Plate Scratches, how did you collect the set?
A:  I never really had a strategy, but early on I did have a phase when I was collecting non-Piedmonts and Sweet Caporals (like many T206 collectors, I wish I had stayed with that longer).
Q:  How did you first become interested in the plate scratches?
A:  When Steve Birmingham started the thread on Net54 about the plate scratches, he was looking for scans.  So I checked my collection and found that I had one.  I started tracking ebay and past sales looking for scans to send Steve.  Each one I found motivated me to search for more, hoping he would be able to come up with a sheet layout from them.
Q:  Do you remember the first card you owned that had a plate scratch?
A:  It was a Shipke scratch that I had in my collection and, coincidentally it matched up next to one of the Cobb scans that Steve had.
Q:  What gave you the idea to try and re-create an entire sheet of Piedmont 150s using the plate scratches?
A:  Once again, all the credit goes to Steve.  Steve and I were emailing back and forth.  I was sending him scans of the scratches I found and he was working on trying to piece a sheet together.  At the time it seemed like he was gaining the most traction around the Cobb, but in a couple of our emails he stated he didn’t have much free time to work on it.  I don’t think anyone was sure if there was more than one sheet involved, but I decided to try and see what I could come up with from a Seymour I had with a double scratch on it.
The circled pink mark offers more evidence that Seymour and Cicotte were neighbors on this Piedmont 150 sheet

Q:  Can you share any breakthroughs that you have had while working on it?

A:  There have been several, but I would say three of the main ones are:

  1. The first time I found an unconfirmed scratch using a template I made off the Seymour scratch.
  2. Finding a Seymour with a print mark on the front that connected to a mark on the front of a Cicotte (Seymour and Cicotte have several different scratches on the back that link them together).
  3. Filling the last missing slot on what I call the “A-B sheet”.

Q:  Have you had any missing pieces to the puzzle that have taken you a very long time to find?

A:  There are still a few that I think should exist and probably a lot more I don’t know about.  I think the A-B Sheet is complete minus a second subject that matches O’Leary, but I can’t say for sure.  It took me four years to find a Gibson that filled the Gibson/Bresnahan slot in the A-B Sheet.  A month or two later, I found the Bresnahan.  Also, Steve had sent me a scan of a Powell scratch that I could never find another scan of until one was listed on ebay about a month ago.  Coincidentally, another one popped up a couple weeks later.  So it took me almost five years to find one, and then two showed up within weeks of each other.

Q:  Do you try to own a copy of each scratch, or are you generally happy to just save scans?  
A:  In the very beginning I was just saving scans, but I purchased a couple of the cheaper ones when I saw them on ebay.  I found when I had them in hand I could glean more information from them.  I have a few that had a second scratch on them that I didn’t notice until I had them.  I have also picked up a few that only had front scans in the listing but I knew they were plate scratches because of a flaw on the front.  I have at least one copy of the majority of them, but I do lack most of the expensive ones.  There are four different Cobb (Bat on) scratches, two Cobb (Green Portrait), three Johnson (Portrait), three Mathewson (White Cap) and one Mathewson (Portrait).  I do have one of the Cobb (Bat On), but the rest are too expensive for me.
Q:  Is there anything I didn’t think to ask that you have learned from your work on this project?
A:  On a side note, the mystery surrounding the Plank continues over to the Plate Scratches.  There are only a few (all hand-cut) Piedmont 150 Planks, but two of them have the same Plate Scratch.  The Plate Scratch on the Plank goes almost straight across.   All of the other Plate Scratches are on a few different angles, so the Plank doesn’t match up with any of them.
I do have a theory about why this might be.  Awhile back someone mentioned that the scratches could have been caused by a nail or something on a shelf they were stored on.  I have seen pictures of the stones on shelves and also on pallets.
If a worker taking one of the stones off the shelf or pallet slid it back and turned it to grab one of the corners, it would create a straight scratch for a couple of inches and an angled scratch across the rest of the stones.  If Plank was on the end of a sheet, that would cause the straight scratch that’s seen on the two examples.

Does the Huge Price Tag for the T206 Magie Error Make Sense?

This copy sold via Love of the Game Auctions for $15, 340 in 2013

As a T206 back collector, I tend to think about cards in terms of value.  Which backs are over-valued?  Which are under-valued?  Which cards are over-rated, and which are under-appreciated?  My favorite part of collecting this set is searching for value and scarcity, especially when it is hiding in plain sight.

It can be hard to impress T206 collectors.  There are hundreds of specific front/back combos that exist in quantities of less than 10 and are met with a collective yawn from collectors when they hit the market.  If a Cycle 350 Shad Barry SGC 30 goes to auction, it’s likely to sell for less than $100.  If a Demmitt Polar Bear SGC 30 goes to auction, it will probably sell for around $1,000.  PSA and SGC have combined to grade 4 copies of the Barry Cycle 350 and 278 copies of Demmitt Polar Bear.  Pretty crazy when you really look at the numbers.

Obviously the Demmitt, O’Hara, and Magie cards are more highly sought after than a random Cycle 350 with a low population.  The main reason is that many set collectors feel the need to own a Magie, O’Hara and Demmitt for their sets.  However, there are plenty of T206 collectors who are not necessarily attempting to complete the set.  For those people, I really wonder if the massive price tags for these 3 cards makes sense.

PSA has graded 118 copies of the Magie error (which only exists with a Piedmont 150 back).  SGC has graded 62 of them.  So, according to the Pop Reports, there are 180 Magie errors out there.  Of course there have probably been some crossovers, but there are probably some raw copies out there too.

Sold for $1,028 via PWCC Auctions over the weekend

A few days ago, this PSA 4 Sherry Magee portrait with El Principe de Gales back sold for $1,028 via PWCC Auctions.  PSA and SGC have combined to grade only 11 copies of this card.

Sold for $2,022 via Goodwin & Co. Auctions in 2016

Earlier in the year, Goodwin and Co. auctioned off the above Old Mill Magee portrait in an SGC 40 holder.  It sold for $2,022.  PSA and SGC have graded a combined 4 copies of this card.

The Pop Report Numbers for Magee Portrait with Hindu and Sovereign 150 backs are similarly low in comparison to the iconic Magie Error:

The Old Mill above is so rare that it’s almost non-existent, and yet it sold for just 13% of the $15,340 that the PSA 3 Magie pictured at the top of this article went for.  We know that there is more to value than the supply side of the equation, but I can’t help but come to the conclusion that the Magie Error is over-valued.  As long as collectors continue to covet the Magie Error to the extent they have historically, prices will remain high.  With more information available to us via the Pop Reports, it’s possible that prices will adjust over time to be more in line with actual scarcity (or the lack thereof).

The Greatest T206 Back Run Ever Assembled: Ty Cobb Red Background Portrait

Completing any back run that includes Broad Leaf 460, Red Hindu, and/or Lenox is a daunting project.  Attempting to complete a Ty Cobb Red Background Portrait back run is sheer lunacy.  But that’s just what T206 collector Jamie Blundell set out to do in 2013.

The story actually starts in December of 2011.  A Cobb portrait with Drum back was auctioned off via ebay and Jamie’s bid held up.  Any time you get a Drum, the thought of a back run inevitably comes to mind, since you’ve just added one of the toughest possible backs (at least so I’ve heard, no Drum for me yet).  The idea did occur to him, but at that point the rest of the cards he would have to acquire still seemed too far out of reach.

Fast forward to Spring of 2013.  Jamie was killing some time scrolling through posts on the net54baseball.com forum.  He stumbled upon a test page where another collector had uploaded scans of 17 different Red Background Ty Cobb Portraits, all with different backs.  Upon seeing all those different Cobbs lined up together, he was fixated on the idea of putting together a Cobb run of his own.  Jamie made the following checklist of every Red Background Ty Cobb:

  1. SC 350 25
  2. SC 350 30
  3. SC 460 25
  4. SC 460 30
  5. SC 460 42
  6. SC 460 42 OP
  7. Pied 350
  8. Pied 460 25
  9. Pied 460 42
  10. Sov 350
  11. Sov 460
  12. Old Mill
  13. Polar Bear
  14. Tolstoi
  15. Cycle 350
  16. Cycle 460
  17. American beauty 350 Frame
  18. EPDG
  19. Carolina Brights
  20. Red Hindu
  21. Black Lenox
  22. Drum
  23. Broadleaf 460
  24. Blank Back
  25. T213 Type 1
  26. T213 Type 2
  27. T213 Type 3
  28. T213 Type 3 Overprint
  29. T214 Victory
  30. Cobb back

To say that list is intimidating would be a severe understatement.  However, he already had one of the toughest cards on the list, and was about to add another.  In April 2013 a Cobb portrait with Lenox back showed up on ebay, but it was in a GAI holder, and it sat there for a few days despite a low Buy It Now price.  Jamie decided to take a gamble on it and immediately sent it to SGC, who agreed with GAI’s assessment that the card was authentic and unaltered.

“That was the defining moment.. my first two Cobbs were the Drum and the Lenox… and at that point I decided to make a run at it.”

Over the course of the next 5 months, he added 14 more to the run including the very tough Cycle 460.

  • April 2013 – Polar Bear
  • May 2013 – SC 350-460 Fact 25, SC 350-460 Fact 30, SC 350-460 Fact 42 w/ Overprint, T213 Coupon Type 2
  • June 2013 – Tolstoi, Piedmont 350, SC 350/25, SC 350/30, SC 350-460 Fact 42 
  • July 2013 – Sovereign 350, Old Mill, Cycle 460, Piedmont 460 25

September 2013 was an absolutely huge month for the back run:

  • Sept 2013 – Cycle 350, Red Hindu, T213 Coupon Type 1, American Beauty 350

The Cycle 350 is a tough card in its own right, but it was overshadowed by three extremely rare combos.  The T213 Coupon Type 1 and American Beauty were acquired in separate private transactions with fellow net54 forum members.  The Red Hindu trade is my favorite story.  Here it is in Jamie’s own words:

“I was emailing with another collector who I knew had three Cobb Red Hindus.  Yes you read that right.  Only 6 known to exist, and this collector had three.  I really thought the Red Hindu was one I would never get.  But this collector was willing to perhaps trade me for several of my errors and rare backs.  The only problem: We would have to meet face to face.  No trade of this magnitude can be done remotely.  As fate would have it I had a work appointment within a one-hour drive of this collector.  So we agreed to meet to see if a trade was possible.  I flew out a day early, met with him
and traded 15 of my cards (which included a Brown Lenox back, many tough front-back combinations, blank backs, mis-cuts, and ghost images) for one very clean PSA 1 Red Hindu Cobb.  I flew home in disbelief that I’d just combined the Drum, the Lenox and the Red Hindu.  I knew the Red Hindu was on the checklist of 30, but it was off of my mental checklist.  I just assumed I would not get it, and if I did, it would be a very long time before I would see one for sale. The opportunity to own one so early in my quest was fantastic.  So, I literally flew across country for that card.
So now I am 5 months into the back run and I have reached 20 backs.  I was thrilled with my progress, but I also knew it was about to get much tougher if I wanted to continue.  In my mind I was happy to reach 20.  That was my personal goal.  Why not keep going…”

In November 2013, after taking a short pause to breathe, Jamie began to search for the ultra-rare Broad Leaf 460.  There is only one copy of this card known to exist, graded SGC 10.  Finding the card was quite a challenge.   Jamie scoured the internet looking for clues as to the card’s whereabouts.  Eventually, he found a post on a forum from 2003 that led him to the card’s owner.  He had owned it since 2005 and was understandably hesitant to part with it.  In time, he decided the card would find a good home in Jamie’s epic back run.  The two collectors settled on a price, and Jamie became the proud new owner.  This card is the pinnacle of this incredible collection.

“This was, and still is to this day the most expensive card I have ever purchased.  I couldn’t pass on the opportunity to put the Broad Leaf, Drum, Red Hindu and Lenox together in the same collection.”
  • Dec 2013 – Piedmont 460 fact 42, Sov 460, EPDG

The train kept rolling in December.  Jamie traded a Blank Back Southern Leaguer and cash for the very tough Piedmont Factory 42 Cobby.  Next up was the scarce and underrated Sovereign 460.  A friend was working on the Sovereign 460 subset but decided to split it up and send the Cobb to Jamie for his back run.

  •   Feb 2014 – Blank Back

“60 days after my last Cobb, and a blank back comes up for auction.  This is one of two known!!!  Once I confirmed the card was authentic I knew I had to acquire it.  It might be my last chance at a Blank Back.  As the auction wound down, I made a bid, but was outbid at 2:00 A.M.  I woke up to the outbid email.  Good thing because my next bid is what won the card!  Went back to bed after bidding and woke up crossing off another card I never thought it would be possible to attain.”

At this point, Jamie had 25 of the possible 30 backs on his checklist.  The last 5 were some of the toughest and most coveted cards in the hobby: Carolina Brights (the only card left on the checklist that is universally considered a T206), T214 Victory, T213 type 3, T213 type 3 with Factory 8 overprint, and the iconic Ty Cobb back.  Some time passed, and then:

  • March 2015 – Carolina Brights, bought privately from a Net54 board member
  • August 2015 – T213 Type 3 with Factory 8 Overprint
“A huge breakthrough.  I found a Type 3 Coupon.  Two weeks later, I traded it with additional cash to a collector who I knew owned the only T213 Type 3 with factory 8 overprint… A true 1 of 1.  I crossed off the Coupon type 3 Factory 8 Overprint but had to give up the T213 normal type 3 to get it.  So that left me still needing the normal Type 3 Coupon.  I figured it would be easier to find another Type 3 Coupon and needed to secure the factory 8 overprint.  So I was happy to make the deal.”

At this point, the run was only missing 3 cards: Ty Cobb back, T213 Type 3, and T214 Victory.  As you can imagine, it was getting extremely tough to find the cards Jamie needed.  11 months passed, and then he found another:

  • July 2016 – T213 Type 3 
“Two net54 board members were at a regional trade show and saw one for sale.  Knowing I might be interested they contacted me, bought it for me, and sold it to me.  The type 3 completed the T213 Coupon run of all 4 possible backs: T213 Type 1, 2, 3 and 3 with OP.”

This brought the run to a staggering 28 cards.  I have no qualms with declaring this the greatest T206 Back Run that has ever been assembled.  In terms of T206 Cobbs, many people would argue that the run is complete.  Collectors are kind of split as to whether the Ty Cobb back should be considered a T206 or not.  I personally don’t consider it a T206 so to me, the T206 portion of Jamie’s run is complete.

This is where his collection sits today.  There are still two cards on Jamie’s want-list, and they are TOUGH.  Jamie plans to loan his Cobbies to the Detroit Tigers for a year or two so that they can display them, but he’s hoping to land the T214 Victory first.  There are only two copies known, so it’s not going to be easy.  But if this project has proven one thing, it’s that anything is possible.

T206 Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42: An Introduction

T206 O'leary Piedmont Factory 42

When I first got into collecting the T206 set, I read somewhere that Piedmont Factory 42 backs were rare and valuable.  They look almost identical to the other Piedmont 350-460 back, which is from Factory 25.  Because of this, they sometimes fall through the cracks and can be found at bargain prices.  For the next few months, I checked the bottom of every Piedmont back I saw on ebay, hoping to find my first Piedmont 42 (sadly, I didn’t find a single one).  At the time, I didn’t realize the Piedmont Factory 42 back was only possible on certain fronts (76 different fronts to be exact).  I wish someone had told me early on which cards to check the backs of and which cards to not bother with.  I figured it might be helpful to write an article about this topic, since I wasted a lot of time checking back scans of poses that couldn’t possibly have possibly been from Factory 42.

These are the most important things to know:

  • Piedmont 150 backs are all from Factory 25
  • Piedmont 350 backs are all from Factory 25
  • Piedmont 350-460 backs can be found with both Factory 25 and Factory 42 backs
  • Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42 backs are very scarce and sell for a large premium over their Piedmont 350-460 Factory 25 counterparts

So don’t bother checking the factory numbers on Piedmont 150 and 350 backs, because they are all the same.

The Piedmont 350-460 Factory 25 checklist consists of 109 poses.  The majority of those 109 also were printed with Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42 backs, but not all.  Here is the entire 76 card checklist of Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42:

piedmont-factory-42-checklist

These 76 poses are the only ones that exist with Piedmont Factory 42 backs.  It’s not clear why the other 33 poses printed with Piedmont 350-460 Factory 25 were left off the Piedmont 350-460 Factory 42 print run.  These are the 33 poses that exist with P350-460 Fact. 25 but not with P350-460 Fact. 42:

T206 Factory 42 No Prints

Now that we’ve gone over which cards to look for, let’s talk about value.  Prices seem to be down a bit recently, but they still command a large premium.  Cards in the poor-fair range have been selling for $150-$200 and the gd-vg range for between $250-$400 lately.  By the time you read this, the market could have changed, so make sure to check completed ebay sales and other online auction houses to get a better idea of the current market value.

Lastly, there is one slight visual difference between Factory 25 and Factory 42 backs.  The printing on the bottom of the Factory 42 backs takes up more space from left the right.  Knowing this and keeping an eye out for it can help you spot these cards.  Check out the image below to see what I mean.

pied-42-vs-25-comparison

Thank you to t206resource.com for the use of the above checklists.

 

Back Scarcity in the T206 150-350 series: Part One

T206 Rube Waddell back run

In this series of blog posts, I’m going to take an in-depth look at the different backs that make up the 150-350 series (also referred to as Print Group 1).  The truly rare backs were not printed until the 350 series (Broadleaf 350 and Drum) and 460 series (Broadleaf 460, Lenox, Red Hindu, and Uzit).  Because the 150-350 series is made up of backs which are considered relatively common, many very tough front/back combinations fly under the radar.

Cards from Print Group 1 can be found with the following backs:

Hindu
Piedmont 150
Sovereign 150
Sweet Caporal 150 factory 25
Sweet Caporal 150 factory 30
Sweet Caporal 150 factory 649
El Principe de Gales
Piedmont 350
Sovereign 350 Forest Green
Sweet Caporal 350 factory 25
Sweet Caporal 350 factory 30
Old Mill

pg1-backs-collage-2nd-layout

Many of the most iconic portrait cards in the T206 set were printed in the 150-350 series.  Finding a card with one of these backs is easy, but finding a specific front/back combo can sometimes be quite difficult.  For example, if you want a Green Background Ty Cobb portrait with the scarcest back, you need to find one with an Old Mill back.  It might seem like this should be an easy task because Old Mills seem pretty common, but it could take you a few years to locate one.

I’m going to start with a very broad overview and drill down into the individual backs to see if we can find any patterns that will help us understand the 150-350 series better.

 

By the Numbers

There are 159 cards in the 150-350 series.  Here is the checklist (thanks to the fine folks at t206resource.com).

Below is a breakdown of the backs that make up the 150-350 series (also known as Print Group 1 and abbreviated here as PG1):

T206 back Scarcity 150 350 series

 

As you can see, the vast majority of PG1 is represented with these backs:

Piedmont 150 (98%)
Sovereign 150 (94%)
Sweet Caporal 150 factory 25 (96%)
Sweet Caporal 150 factory 30 (96%)

 

The percentage is a bit less with these backs:

Piedmont 350 (91%)
Sweet Caporal 350 factory 25 (83%)
Sweet Caporal 350 factory 30 (84%)
Old Mill (81%)

 

The percentage is much lower with these backs:

Hindu (64%)
Sweet Caporal 150 factory 649 (21%)
El Principe de Gales (51%)

Sovereign 350 Forest Green (50%

 

In some cases, the reasons for differing percentages are known.  Often, certain players were traded or they retired during production of the set.  These players were removed from subsequent printings.  For the most part, this is why players are missing from Piedmont 350 and both Sweet Caporal 350 print runs.

In other cases, the reasons are not known.  Hindu backs were issued in 1909 near the start of T206 production.  They had access to the same 150 subjects that were used for the Sovereign 150 printing, but only used 102 of them.  For the the El Principe de Gales print run beginning in 1910, only 81 poses from PG1 were used.  Likewise, only 80 PG1 players were used for the Sovereign 350 print run.

Were these omissions chosen randomly?  Or is there a pattern?  Let’s find out.